Is anyone actually surprised by this?
Chinese company does what American companies have done for 25+ years now!
Is it time for REAL data privacy laws or are we just gonna keep playing whack-a-mole with Chinese tech companies that get us nowhere?
Our data’s just too valuable for these parasites. Data privacy laws may eventually pass to compel software companies to store everything in US servers only.
Excellent Point. If that’s the case though, then wouldn’t other countries follow suit which still limits big tech’s reach and makes them less profitable and less powerful? Idk. Guess we’ll see how it plays out. Either way, I’m staying as far from those ecosystems as possible to at least try to mitigate some of what they do. I’ll never be totally successful, genie is put of the bottle, but we can at least attempt.
Did they become american company?
Well, at least models are downloadable.
Get it all you can, nvidia’s already lobbying to make them a security risk, competition is bad for business.
nvidia is one of the greediest companies rn
All public companies by definition have to be greedy it’s unfortunate but it’s how capitalism works.
nvidia takes that to a whole new level
Doubtful, since it’s both open source and you can run it locally. This seems more like a smear piece.
This article is about the app, which does not run the model locally. Why would you doubt that a Chinese app which openly claims they send your data to China, actually does so?
It seems like a smear piece because it makes it sound like DeepSeek is doing something that the others aren’t, while the truth is that ever single on of them collects your data.
At best, it’s disingenuous. At worst, with the ability to run locally, it’s a blatant lie.
What would you have preferred? “Most apps sell your data, news at 11”? Would anyone care if it was written like that?
Ah yes, selling your integrity for clicks and pushing propaganda for cash, welcome to the information age.
Did the American technology giants think they had the monopoly on capturing human input too?
My gym sock captures human input too.
That’s human output surely?
I input it into the sock.
When you don’t understand how a web app works. 🤦
Does TikTok access my wifi network? 😤
Unrelated but yesterday I saw a post where the person was mocking those concerned by the chinese getting their data, saying things like “why would they care” and some people sarcastically saying they wouldn’t understand the data because “it was in another language”. Were those people right or not?
Let the witch hunt begin.
And? This anti China propaganda is falling apart.
So I won’t use this for the same reason I don’t use any AI? Cool
Just host it yourself?
Building my entire data model around the Tienanmen Square copypasta. I can run this thing on a Raspberry Pi plugged into a particularly starchy potato and it reliably returns the only answer I’ve thought to ask it.
You can’t just host the 632B model that the app uses lol
If you have the hardware, then yes, you can.
Ah, just acquire such hardware, very simple and anyone can do it without supply chain knowledge or advantage
Sorry but you are just talking assumptions without even having looked at the facts.
Its not cheap, but basically a single toptier gaming desktop with an additional graphics card (or 2) is literally all you need.
I know multiple people who work normal IT jobs that have already started on setting up their own. They plan on running them for their whole family, many users at a time from the same machine.
Here is someone who got it to work on a cluster of mac-minis. Again not cheap, but clearly within dedicated consumer enthusiast reach. https://digialps.com/deepseek-v3-on-m4-mac-blazing-fast-inference-on-apple-silicon/
And this is before even considering how fast open source moves, i am expecting quantized models which can have double speed for negligible quality impact any second now.
By extension, anything that’s not self hosted means 3rd party actors snooping. American, Chinese, whoever happens to operate that machine.
If you think the American companies do anything different you’re not paying attention and simply believing the propaganda.
They all do this…
Don’t use hosted models unless you pay for your own server space and it is encrypted.
Don’t be a fucking idiot.
They all store data on Chinese servers?
Unironically quite a lot of them probably do because it’s probably cheap and they have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders to gEt ThE bEsT dEaL!
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If I’m typing into the app, is that really collecting keystrokes?
And why is that an issue? It’s typing data sent to a language model. What nefarious info might they be looking for? Learning to imitate humans? Fingerprinting? Making the best virtual keyboard asmr?
If you’ve got nothing to hide you don’t have to worry ?
Beware! Anything you type into a Google search is sent to Google’s servers!
i mean…yes? that is generally how search platforms work.
I wouldn’t recommend anybody use any google based stuff directly (or at all, if possible) but if you do, then sending the search query is generally what would happen.
That’s the point. There is nothing strange or shady about the fact that things you type into DeepSeek.com are sent to DeepSeek.com. Obviously keystrokes you submit to a website are submitted to the website.
Oh yeah, the whole article could be reductively summed up as
“DeepSeek and all the other LLM services are almost as bad as each other, but we think deepseek is worse…because the Chinese government are known for doing bad things”.
The title is factual, if a little clickbaity.
Obviously keystrokes you submit to a website are submitted to the website.
This though, it’s not technically accurate, a lot of forms and input are done client side and then the resulting information is parceled up and sent to the server.
The actual keystroke data isn’t normally sent.
Though this article doesn’t go in to what kind of keystroke data is sent, if it was something more than just which keys in which order then that’s perhaps an indicator that it’s actively being collected for a reason, rather than just incidentally.
If you want to get really paranoid about such things it’s known that you can you can do interesting things with actual keystroke data.
Also, afaict none of the the non-chinese services have specified that they don’t do this.
I shouldn’t have anything to hide, but I’m part of a group the current fascist leadership in government want’s to eradicate, so hide I shall.
That said, I also feel like people acting like the remote server they are connected to is tracking what you do on it as some kind of surprise is so stupid. “Facebook is keeping track of the pictures I uploaded to it!!!” There’s a lot of stuff to complain about Facebook, google, or whoever, but them tracking stuff you send to them willingly isn’t one of them.
Fair, but I don’t know what exactly I’d be hiding here
Not surprised at all why would I? Don’t act like other AI services is privacy focused. It’s all same. THEY ALL COLLECT DATA.
But good thing about is deepseek is you can run locally unlike Closed AI Chat GPT. No need to use shitty app.
