Cowbee [he/they]

I think a large part of that is magnified by being on Lemm.ee, rather than a specialized instancd, like Hexbear or slrpnk or dbzer0. The most productive conversations generally tend to be between people who mostly agree but have alternative viewpoints, otherwise it becomes a shouting match.

You can join an instance that has downvotes disabled like Hexbear, or votes disabled entirely, or disable your ability to view them if that makes you more comfortable.

Less about Pol Pot, more about the utter fucking mess that was the Sino-Soviet Split and how that impacted Cambodia. This isn’t Pol Pot apologia, but an acknowledgement of the entire situation being fucked. Blowback season 5 covers Cambodia, so I can’t wait to get there.

Really? Weird. Wonder how that works, might be a weird federation thing since you’re on jlai.lu and it was a .world thread? Genuinely don’t know, to be honest.

Anyways, do you mean your point as in people should avoid the 3 Marxist-aligned instances, or the “point” you made in your comment? I already DM’d you asking if you wanted a response to that since I couldn’t respond on that thread, I can still do that if you’d like. On top of the general disagreements about the points you made, there were some undue character judgements you made of me that I don’t think have any backing.

If you want access to Grad or Hex, that works.

You replied to a 10 month old comment of mine in a community I was banned from, lol. Sounds like you should just block those 3 yourself and save yourself the mental energy anticommunism seems to take you.

1. That makes you transphobic

2. That word is factually a slur, and continuing to use it when told it makes others uncomfortable is shitty behavior, not to mention transphobic and bigoted.

Because you’re on Lemmy.world, which defederated from them due to not wanting to interact with Marxists.

Genuinely don’t understand what you mean. Go to Hexbear, grad, .ml, whatever, and ask everyone’s opinions on Pol Pot. It’s 99% going to be negative, perhaps with some minor nuance considering the utter mess that was the Sino-Soviet Split and the US’s CIA partnership with Pol Pot. Reddit, however, does have quite a few Gonzaloists on r/communism now, and Gonzaloists generally defend Pol Pot as well.

Thanks comrade 🫡

Pol Pot defenders pretty much only exist on Reddit, Gonzaloism is near universally hated by all of Lemmy’s Marxist-aligned instances.

It also works better with instances with unique emojis like Hexbear.

If we are to agree with Engels, Communes (or cooperatives) consist entirely of Petite Bourgeoisie, unless there is no interaction outside said commune. Trade between communes implies each commune wishing to get more out of the trade, which implies differences in material wealth in communes that can then escalate into Capitalism. It isn’t what we think of as a State, but some form of armed millitia must be maintained to enshrine ownership within a commune, and not outside it, ergo a state enforcing class distinctions.

Really, though, I think the term “stateless” brings ideological baggage rather than logical. What’s important is the structures themselves, not how we wish to label them. Conversations around “true” Communism or whatnot inevitably fall into ideological debate based in idealism, rather than a logical analysis of material conditions.

I actually prefer appless. Straight web.

The thing is, AES states are democratic. They usually don’t have competing liberal parties like Western countries, but instead a more comprehensive form based on electing delegates. For example, the USSR functioned like this:

For further reading, Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan.

Further, the “point” of Communism isn’t Democracy to begin with. Communism is a prediction, not a perfect society created in a lab, of what will necessarily happen as humanity develops. Marx predicted humanity will move towards a fully publicly owned and planned economy with democratic control because industry gets larger and more complex over time. I think if you take away that Communism is based on analysis and not on some Utopia, you take away the reason why Communism makes sense to begin with.

Comms are more like hashtags within an instance, generally, rather than a real community in itself.

Different leftists have a different idea of what constitutes the “State” and what “Statelessness” looks like. For Marxists, the State is the oppressive elements of class society like millitarized police and armies that can only go away once the world is fully publicly owned and planned, and becomes classless. Anarchists however have an issue with hierarchy, rather than class, and want full decentralization and horizontalism. For a Marxist, Anarchism isn’t “stateless” as it retains class distinctions (each commune is interested in its own success), Anarchists obviously would see Marxism as not truly stateless.

This difference is why a lot of conversations go nowhere between some Marxists and Anarchists.

Of course drag isn’t inviting to sealion, drag is gish-galloping and isn’t interested in any conversation. drag has proven this, from defending Nazi-led pograms as “true revolution” to pretending Marx was an Anarchist and wanted full decentralized horizontalism, rather than full centralization and democratization as industry gets ever more complex.

drag is therefore either uninterested in genuine conversation, or is a troll.

Nah

Sounds good! Feel free to ask any questions.