Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
I think I’ll decide based on the actual post content thank you very much
The fact this post hasn’t been banned for being “anti communist” like someone else was in the modlog shocks me.
what did i do
The tell-tale indicator is the post itself, not the instance.
I’ll make my own judgments, thank you.Man this was like the only instance that was accepting new members at the time and tbh it’s been failing to load stuff half the time now, which instance should I switch to that’s actually accepting new members?
Also any good mobile clients with a local history? I’m so tired of Voyager just throwing away posts that I try to go back to read, absolutely no way to go find it again
My .ml experience:
- Have a different opinion
- Get banned for rule 2
- See what rule 2 is
- Respect other opinions
i was on hexbear, i said a lot of stuff like “palestine and israel have been at each other’s throats and they should settle the gaza war peacefully”, “venezuela should NOT be run by nicolas maduro”, “we need a revolution” and “what if north korea was a de leonist country”.
so far, comments like these were interpreted as simply “antisocialist”, “zionist”, “fedposting”, “manufacturing consent” and “history of repeating us state department talking points”. hexbear is full of the most hardline marxist-leninists you’d ever meet. they DIDN’T realize that you can be marxist-leninist while NOT supporting stalin’s actions in the ussr government and such.
i’m very glad i went with this lemmy instance. seriously!
idk what the instance fuss is about and i dont care
You know what’s funny is .ml was one of the first instances I signed up for. I thought it stood for machine learning or something to do with programming.
I knew it was a leftist instance. I went into it (naively) excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space, considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship. I was quite disappointed to learn quickly that it was just more of the same tankie brain rot, with more of the same tankie censorship you can find in a thousand different tedious places.
Even then I stuck with it for a bit. And then I learned that the head admin was potentially the most fragile person on the Internet, who literally will not post outside his own instance because he cannot handle any internet where he does not have (what he believes to be) a “win argument” ban button. It is literally so cringe, I cannot stand to be associated with it, and I don’t understand how other people tolerate being associated with his antics.
MLs are essentially incapable of arguing in good faith. You know how Christians quote to bible to “prove” their religion is true? MLs are the political version of that.
Honestly I will half agree with you. Really we should be providing primary sources if we want to prove anything.
Not because I don’t believe socialist news sources are inaccurate it’s just that liberals are not going to believe it.
I opened a thread just yesterday and the top comment was “I recommend you read this article if you want to know what Noam Chomsky is really like”. It was upvoted. I like to learn things, and don’t really listen to a lot of Chomsky. So I started reading.
It was the most uneducated, biased, ragebait crap I’d ever seen posted to the fediverse. I started mentally building my reply about how “people are saying” is the worst kind of fallacy, and providing a quote from someone else with a different opinion doesn’t count as opposing evidence. I actually got a little upset, disillusioned even, wondering how anyone could fall for this idiotic “argument”. I didn’t agree or disagree with any point, but it was just so poorly made.
I went to reply, thinking I should provide some warning, then I noticed I was in an ml community. I’m mobile, so it sometimes doesn’t show the community until I’ve clicked (I know I can change that in the settings). I considered posting anyway, but it felt so fruitless. It feels like they’re either sheep or assets. I moved on. I feel better getting to let it out here instead.
As someone leaning ML, this makes me feel like I haven’t argued with my own side in a while… Or I am less ML than I think I am…
I have an ML account and usually just jump back and forth between .world local posts and .ml local posts and I swear I’m not seeing all this hostility people talk about anywhere
I haven’t read a single exchange with a .ml tankie that hasn’t been utterly juvenile roleplay nonsense with no desire to engage with reality, I don’t give them any amount of my attention or even irritation, if kids wanna do roleplay stuff between games of Hearts of Iron 4, they can, but other instances should ban roleplay outside of their specific circle-jerking forum.
excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space
considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship
Lmfao. What’s leftism to you?
Tankies are lefties alright. Just braindead ones
What do you consider a non braindead leftist?
As long as you avoid campism and are ready to criticize the USSR and Maoist China for what they did wrong you’re not braindead
Reasonable. Although it seams at this point tankie is just a blanket derocatory term to anyone who supports communism. I was a bit concerned that you were calling all communists braindead, although its good that you aren’t.
Nah nah. I’m not that braindead 😅
Braindead is when you deviate one millimeter from western capitalist state propaganda
You can deviate without lapping up Kremlin propaganda
Five communists got enjailed in Ufa last week for reading Lenin. Being pro-USSR and anti-USA+EU doesnt equate with being pro-Russian Republic
You were defending the Russian republic just two days ago need i remind you
I only signed up since it was one of the few instances allowing registration at the time of a big reddit exodus. Just haven’t made too many new accounts in other instances yet but yes, the community is in an echo chamber.
… we don’t?
I literally can’t do what the meme suggests, because I’ve already blocked all users from that instance automatically.
You might try slrpnk.net for what you were looking for. I guess you know that by now, but in case anyone else is reading and thinking similarly.
I’ve got an ml account too, but at the time I think world was normal. I think world has also gone the Reich way.
there some .ml accounts that just talking about tech, i assume that what it is originally for, but it was co-opting by hard left politics at some point.
wait, what does it stand for?
Technically it is the top-level domain name for Mali.
I’m fairly certain that the Lemmy devs chose it because of their two favorite socialists/communists: Marx and Lenin. But I can’t find a reference to that right now.
Marx was a socialist political philosopher, that helped define the social end goal of communism. Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism. And force it under authoritarian boot heel. He was aspirationally communist at best, but not communist. His ideology has failed to achieve it everywhere it was tried. Generally, creating a new class of Petit Bourgeoisie or even collapsing into open fascism.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
it’s hexbear.net
Have you read either Marx or Lenin?
A more important question is, did you think critically about what you read. And compare it to actually historical outcomes. Not just take it as dogma. Why do you think the Soviet people ultimately rejected the party Etc. At least symbolically. Why did former vassal States often demolish former Soviet monuments. Did they not read enough Lenin. Or had they lived it.
Unlike the states built around Lenin’s ideology. I believe people should absolutely be allowed to read about opposed ideologies and even organize around them. If they reject you, generally that means you aren’t filling their needs or are being a net burden. Though I also generally reject the idea of, or need for the state entirely. Far too much concentration and corruption. Whether it’s technically left or right.
I did think critically about what I read, and it’s astounding how many predictions that they made came true. For instance the monopolisation of whole sectors of industries was a really specific prediction to make in Marx’ time when nearly every town had their own manufacturers but look at us today with the global food supply controlled by only a handful of corporations.
And the majority of its citizens did not reject the Soviet Union. It was dissolved against the will of the people. Why do you think the CPRF is the second largest political party still today? Why did other communist parties fare so well in the elections after the dissolution? Why did NATO need to systematically destroy Yugoslavia if the people largely disagreed with the system?
Also, I’m gonna be very honest with you here, your statements about Marx and Lenin when you clearly didn’t read them make you look rather silly. As an example, it is widely accepted that abandonment of vanguardism caused the collapse of the SU. Therefore it was in fact abandonment of Leninism that caused the collapse. Vindicating Marxism-Leninism. If we’re talking about comparisons to historical outcomes… And his view on the “free press” still hold up today, in particular when viewed from the side opposing the gaza genocide.
Leninism is the only noncapitalist ideology actually practiced, so I wouldn’t really call it failed. China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela are the most prominent examples of course.
I can only recommend, once again, Comrade Cowbees introductory reading list. In particular Marx as viewed by Lenin himself.
That’s a lot of words to say “no.”
Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism
Huh, I never thought I’d encounter an actual Menshevik on Lemmy.
Please tell me through materialist historical analysis: without a strong vanguard party pushing for rapid collectivization in 1929 in pursuit of industrialization, and the rapid industrialization (15% GDP growth per year) between 1929 and 1941, what would have happened to all peoples standing between Berlin and the Urals?
Lenin wasn’t trying to erase that transition to communism is gradual, but instead correctly identified that the beginning of that transition is revolution, which Marxists at the time had erased from Marx. Dialectical materialism posits that there are revolutionary leaps after quantitative buildups, the transition to socialism is the beginning of the next long gradual process of achieving communism. He did not “force it under authoritarian boot heel,” but instead was the leader of the bolsheviks, a mass party chosen by the working claases.
Contrary to your position, Marxism-Leninism has successfully established socialism in many countries, and is so widely adopted by leftists partially because of its practical success. It’s the western leftists that endlessly move goalposts to invalidate socialism outside the west that results in perpetuation of bourgeois narratives surrounding socialism as it exists in real life.
Honestly, your appraisal of Lenin and Marx makes it come off as though you haven’t actually read either. Have you?
because of its practical success
That’s like a doctor saying that shooting a patient in the head was a success because they don’t have headaches anymore.
a mass party chosen by the working claases
a party that seized control and maintained it’s grip on power with violence against the working class
That’s like a doctor saying that shooting a patient in the head was a success because they don’t have headaches anymore.
Doubling life expectancies, providing free and high quality healthcare and education, low-cost or free housing, full employment, reaching full literacy, democratizing the economy, defeating the Nazis, and taking a semi-feudal backwater to the pinnacle of scientific and technological development, even reaching space in a few decades, is not “shooting the patient in the head.” None of your accusations make any sense.
a party that seized control and maintained it’s grip on power with violence against the working class
No? Fascists, capitalists, and landlords are oppressed by socialists, but not the working classes. More fantasy on your part, it’s all vibes with you in the face of actual facts.
Just like .TV domain is actually Tuvalu but Twitch and other livestreaming sites use it as abbreviation. These countries actually make a lot of money from selling top level domains like that.
Yes though I thought I remembered reading something a few years ago about them reclaiming them. But hard to turn down money.
That is such a simplification that it is probably wrong.
Marx did not really concern himself with the ultimate goal of communism. His great achievement was his analysis of capitalism. Marx did not describe a slow evolution toward communism, but rather a process in which the contradictions he identified in capitalism culminate in revolution. No evolution! The few times he commented on communism, he described its prerequisites. He writes in the Communist Manifesto “In depicting the most general phases of the development of the proletariat, we traced the more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat.”
Lenin’s approach was enormously successful in some respects. After the October Revolution, the USSR underwent unprecedented industrial development, which greatly improved the living conditions of most people. In general, the argument that “it has never worked before” is very problematic. For some strange reason, communist countries have always found themselves under massive attack from capitalist countries. For example, by Hitler’s Germany or the US. Inconceivable sums of money were invested by global capital and its states to show “that communism does not work.” If it really hadn’t worked, none of that would have been necessary. That still applies today. Lenin was a right-wing, authoritarian communist and was rightly criticized for this by people like Rosa Luxemburg. But economically, things were improving so rapidly that capitalist states became increasingly concerned. The fear was so great that capitalists in the US even agreed to the New Deal. Something similar happened in Europe.
ML does not stand for Marx and Lenin, but for Marxism-Leninism. A propagandistic self-description of the system of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Another word for it is Stalinism.
Nah, they chose it because the ccTLD along with few others had been free for a long time. I was there when lemmy was just a few months old.
Someone made up these reference about marx/lenin claim and was perfect for wankies to circle jerk and the tankies didn’t refute it or went along with it, so it stuck.
Before that the free domains were mostly used for spam/phishing (because it was free and being similar to .mil), some called it machine learning, my links, my library and so on. US military sent lots of emails to this cctld because of unchecked typo.
Except lemmy (& maybe reddit? to detract people from the fediverse), the .ml domain is not considered marxlenin anywhere else.
https://dev.to/bauripalash/lets-get-your-own-free-domain-5f16
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/18/us_military_mali_email_typos/
Moron liberation
Marxist Leninist
They use it to mean Marxist Leninism, although it also does mean Machine Learning and Mali
Mutilated Leprechauns
You just reminded me of Ween’s masterpiece album, ’ The mollusk’
Maoist Lemmy
Now we just need Posadist Lemmy
i’m a leftist and have an ml acct. but it’s like there is no engagement or linking or such - i dunno. i’m a newb.
You’d be hard pressed to find many on the fediverse that aren’t some flavor of leftist.
But yes. A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones for the same reasons ml were generally blocked and banned from similar sites in the past. Which ironically led to the start of Lemmy and the link aggregation portion of the fediverse in the first place.
A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones
Last time I checked, infosec.pub was the only instance of any nontrivial size (319 users / month) that was defederated from lemmy.ml.
There’s a push recently on lemmy to make people think that .ml instance is unpopular, it’s user wrong and you should leave it or be ostracized.
This is the nth post about it I’ve seen in the past few months.
I haven’t noticed a recent uptick myself, but the usual suspects have been pushing that narrative for years.
Depends if you consider liberals to be leftists.
No, it does not. That’s just a popular way for MLs to disregard any opinion they don’t like. “Liberal” is to online MLs as “woke” is to conservatives. The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category and that’s not even arguing about whether social democrats and democratic socialists count.
Just so you know Brain is a rage baiter.
The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category
You mean terminally online wannabe leftists who haven’t read theory or engaged in organizing while they regurgitate CIA propaganda?
Like clockwork, here’s one now. And he plays a reverse card like this is Uno and not an intellectual exchange.
“CIA propaganda” is the other ML buzzword that approximates conservatives alleging “woke” and they’re always baffled that people outside their echo chamber don’t immediately concede the point. Like they just made the first move in a game of chess and legitimately think it’s checkmate.
“CIA propaganda” is the other ML buzzword
If you really wanna get informed about it, Gabriel Rockhill literally just published in Iskra Books an extensive analysis of the ways the US State Propaganda Apparatus affects media, arts, political organizing… There are literal entire books written about it if you wanna get educated.
Lmao. Are you gatekeeping being a leftist?
I’m differentiating between online “anarchists, socialists and communists” and the real deal. I had an anarchist on Lemmy the other day tell me that they don’t think class analysis is important.
You say that as if it’s a bad thing
Yes. It does. Just because you like the left wing ascetic and want free healthcare doesn’t mean you’re not a liberal, and that describes a lot of people here.
Similarly I also thought that, but chose the national instance instead.
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Solid rule: verify the source before the outrage. Saves your blood pressure and your feed.
Hi guys
Honestly these kinds of posts don’t bother me. I’m usually on here answering people’s tech questions or trying to provide useful resources to people. If they don’t see it because they have ml blanket blocked then that’s their loss.
Yeah, there are plenty people who ended up there early when they’re weren’t many other options. Or just didn’t know. Though it’s your loss as well. Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others. It definitely sucks.
Sure, but seeing posts like this encouraging discounting other people based on the instance they signed up on doesn’t make me want to switch instances so I can spend more time with them. Posts like these make it harder to care about what I’m missing tbh.
If we’re missing more animosity like this thread then we’re probably not missing much at all.
one of the best parts about lemmy.ml is no cm000spam
What is this in reference to?
This:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Seems pretty reasonable really.
That said, about this:
or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
I’m not sure fair or unbiased really have meaning as terms. I think its more that they seem strong handed and are alleged to have opinions based on propaganda rather than fact.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
To be clear, it’s the fact that they run what many on the outside perceive to be “the flagship” instance. Had they run an instance in the same manner, but with their admin profiles and identities disconnected from their dev accounts…we wouldn’t be here right now.
Then it would be easy to dismiss the Triad when advocating the Threadiverse to mainstream users as just “random instances that many others block”, just like hex and grad
there’s a user (cm0002) who is so fervently anti-communist that they’ve spent years at this point having a vendetta with lemmy.ml/grad/hexbear.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
who is so fervently anti-communist
Nope, Anti authoritarian as per the Wikipedia definition for Tankie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
Still ongoing, with reasoning supplied here:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
I had my unrelated reasons, as I’ve specified before, though trolling .ml for a lil while was a fun side effect I’ll admit
Wish we could get rid of the diva and cowbee spam here as well
Is it “spam” for 99% of my posts and comments to be in my home instance, and for the overwhelming majority of my interactions be via comments instead of posts?
Bro must either be an egomaniac that has a bot combing lemmy to find instances of his name being mentioned or terminally online.
I mean it’s probably the same reason I responded, I sort by new comments/chat
You don’t need a bot to search your own username, you do know that right? And you don’t need to be particularly egotistical to do it either, just halfway competent
I search my name from time to time.
you could simply block me if you’re tired of my insights 😇
I’m not constantly spinning up new accounts like cm so it would probably be the last you see of me
No no. That would be a concession
Cut off from several instances
which instances?
Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others
Name them please. Because as far as I know, its a few small ones with barely any traffic?
I mean, you can say that, but its not really their loss, because you’re asking them to accept a lot more than just you.
It’s a package deal, and that package deal includes a boatload of clueless tankies who will happily copypasta the most outlandish ideas from their troves of propaganda to explain why actually brutal dictatorships are model societies for the left to ascribe to.
When I say I don’t usually engage with these types of posts, it’s because I remember several others like it that I chose to ignore. Checking OPs history, it seems they posted every other one that I remember. I don’t count it as a loss at all if people like this make their own decision to block ml because I’d rather not see this kind of drama all the time. It doesn’t matter to me if they see it as a loss or a gain, I’m still gonna be here engaging with and helping people who need help in various communities. To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make, and I’d rather not worry about people who are going to behave like OP.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make
You specifically said
then that’s their loss.
though. Like they’re missing out.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice to people who don’t want to be inundated with a certain type of tankie as if their goals are to hurt people as opposed to not be annoyed by their feeds.
honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to ml users, but then in the same breathe, you are saying people should simply block ml if they have complaints.
It doesn’t seem consistent to me.
More than that, people can choose which instance they want to be on. You could switch to a different instance at any time, and many people have accounts on multiple instances.
With no public vote scores etc, all you lose is a post history that is spotty anyways due to how many posts get deleted on lemmy.
To me it’s not a loss
I think it’s a loss to other people
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice
Do you not see the post at the top of this thread??
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater
This is your assumption. All I’ve said here is that I don’t care, I’m only commenting because this is the 3rd shit stirring post made by this OP, and I consider it a loss to those who block ml, but not to me. I’ve glossed over multiple posts like this from OP in the past so I clearly do not care if people view ml like this, it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
I mean the first one said its not a loss generally, not specifically but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
I don’t think this has the full context.
You can’t really conveniently sort tankie from non tankie.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
This is your assumption.
How is it an assumption at all? You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same.
All I’ve said here is that I don’t care
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused. The people you are seeing the memes of are the people you are engaging with. The others, they probably aren’t posting about this and simply have it toggled off.
Mightn’t this be a case of the loud ones being the people who are complaining vs the silent who simply have moved on?
Anyhow, I just think its impossible to ignore that certain servers obviously follow some cultural trends. Some are even enforced by said servers and its communities. Many really, when you think about it (Its kinda what rules do to some extent).
but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
I did not mean it differently than typed. I said “to me it’s not a loss” and I mean that. To me it’s not a loss, to them it is.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it’s immature. And at the same time I can not care if people choose to cut themselves off from ml.
You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same
No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely, because I don’t view being cut off from people who make those types of assumptions as a loss for me.
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I’m only repeating myself. I’m only commenting because this is the third shit stirring post by the same user, and I only chimed in to another ml user that I’m not bothered if people decide to block ml because it’s a win to me to avoid immature people and in my view a loss to others because I spend most of my time on lemmy giving tech support to others.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused
No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn’t resist engaging with me. I don’t see what’s confusing about this. I don’t think I’m missing anything by not being able to engage with this post. Yet it’s here, so I’m engaging with it. That doesn’t mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It’s kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.
Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not. Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.
Anyhow, I think I’ll go back to ignoring these types of posts. I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don’t think it’s at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.
Merry Christmas!
There is a specter haunting the fediverse 👻
Your name and profile pic always starts to make me think of the OST from the first game, and it always cheer me up.
Oh, look, it’s you.
It’s me, hi, I’m the problem, it’s me. At tea time, everybody agrees.
Smile for the cameras, you’re on air!
lol scrolling back up to this from where you’re having a meltdown over your false memory of the other person being the instigator
You realize this is a continuation from another thread in another community where they were literally the instigators, right? Bullshit with you as usual.
It’s not a continuation if it’s in another thread. This isn’t the first time you decided words and concepts mean whatever’s immediately convenient to you.
We’re literally linking to the other thread, genius. And I’m consisten in my meaning throughout until the other genius realizes what I mean.
It’s not my fault people like you two dorks immediately jump to conclusions without listening.
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Hey, I’m employed and don’t have the time to dig into the lore. What did Lemminary say? Can you permalink it?
First they minimized genocide with:
Then they doubled down, comparing being pro- or anti-genocide with “liking waffles or pancakes” and said to “move the fuck on.”
You’re like the obnoxious person who chimes in with “Why do you hate waffles, huh?” when someone says they like pancakes. Move the fuck on.
Then, after I pointed out how abhorrent these things were, and they did nothing to deny that the exact same arguments could be used to justify the Holocaust, while also hurling a bunch of insults at me, I called them a Nazi. They responded by accusing me of being a pedophile.
Damn, and you still have to provide only a partial context? Only the bits that benefit you and make you seem like the victim, huh.
How about you share the parts where you relentlessly accuse me of being a Nazi? The part where you misconstrue what I’m saying and purposely fail to grasp my point? The part where I actually fight back by falsely accusing you to prove my point, by using the same tactics you used to accuse me baselessly?
You’re nothing but a mean girl, Katie.
Never pretended I wasn’t anti-Nazi.
A guard at a concentration camp? No.
If a protester in australia stopped people from feeding their families at a food bank or kept sick kids from getting cancer medicine by blocking the door because of the Holocaust, would that be a valid position to hold? 🤔
Depends, if for example they’re destroying a rail line used to conduct the Holocaust and it coincidentally caused that, then yes. If it’s entirely unrelated, then no.
Not sure what that question has to do with anything.
I guess it depends a lot with how “related” you find things.
Its pretty clear in the US that genocides in other parts of the world (or even at home in the not so distant past) are not given appropriate weighting by political parties in power. However, there are still hungry families, people who need medicine, and various other forms of suffering right in the town where you live if you’re a US citizen.
I don’t even disagree with the position you have that minimizing genocide is abhorrent. However, by talking about “what is related or not” I personally feel like society is spraying blood from the femoral artery and there’s the “tourniquet party” and the “shoot people in the femoral artery” party and you’re like “FUCK THE TOURNIQUET PARTY, they abetted genocide! I’m out!”. Or “Because of their apparent support for genocide, I will vote for the cautery and surgical foam party, even if they HAPPEN to be a 9 hour drive away.”
On the one hand, this issue is really fucking important. On the other hand, riding the morality of the issue to the point that you do nothing to fix or address ANY problem (which makes a person who only posts about it basically indistinguishable from a neck bearding grouper) is also important to realize.
Kids were and are dying in Palestine. I have a hard time seeing how the moral thing to do is to make sure some kids grow up without parents in the because they got disappeared by ICE (or any of the issues above). I’m telling you these issues are not related to me: fight genocide AND fight police state / hunger / healthcare etc. The other guy is making the same argument but I guess he wants to open a Waffle House or some shit.
From where I sit, you have made “minimizing genocide” a weapon that even hurts more people , and simultaneously allows you to feel good about doing nothing by doing nothing.
Have you ever seen “The Rock” with Sean Connery and Nick Cage? To make it really succinct, I support your position and I would be on alcatraz with you (metaphorically speaking), but when it comes time to launch the rockets, I’m with General Hummel and it sure seems to me like .ML would really like to just pull the trigger.
I have nothing to hide. You’re putting words in people’s mouths and crying wolf. How about you share the entire context with the class instead? It’s easier if you don’t start spewing bullshit.
What context? That you said all those exact things about a different genocide? You really think that’ll make you look better?
You think it’s acceptable to supplant what I actually said in its original context with how you arranged it instead? See how both the post and the picture fit exactly with your behavior?
Whenever braininabox shows up, you know it’s about to get a little Rule 2 in here
