I kinda feel like Lemmy has been much more hostile recently. I don’t know if it’s bots or if I just post bad comments, but it makes me want to go back to just being a lurker.
EDIT: I was waiting for it to happen in this thread. Try to be positive and say something nice about the angry people, get downvotes. Haha. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’ve seen a number of accounts that seem to harp on a single topic, grow increasingly adversarial if you dispute or refute anything posted, and eventually just start screaming insults until you block them.
This feels like very old-school early '10s era Reddit, where the Admins don’t do more than the high level stuff to keep the site operational, the Mods are as overworked as they are short-tempered, and a handful of power users dictate the content of any given channel by spamming it with whatever media supports their personal grudges.
It’s not just you. People will wilfully misinterpret what I’m saying to their liking, sometimes accusing me of nonsense. Some others will jump in out of nowhere as if I owe them money. I have some asshole in my notifications right now trying to defend another asshole for some reason. The best part is how I’m the one getting downvoted for defending myself and calling them out on it.
I’ve noticed people just back the person speaking the most strongly or is insulting harder as if those are tactics used by people who are commonly right.
Honestly even here on lemmy you get how Trump won.
Even here people can’t help supporting the person acting like they are superior.
The whole karma thing is one of the worst inventions in the internet. The whole upvote if you agree downvote if you don’t it’s stupid and should be eliminated, no one cares what you vote, if you have something to add reply, if no keep reading, nod your head up and down or left and right and move on.
Oh, I don’t care about the points, I’ll still reply in whatever manner I like anyway. It’s at least some indicator of how your comment comes across to readers. It’s just funny that I win the unpopularity contest for simply defending myself while the other person is spewing bullshit.
The world sucks right now. People on Lemmy are very aware of what’s going on and are rightfully upset and that reflects in general sentiment and interactions.
No shortage of outright nail-chewing psychos on Reddit, depending on your instance. But I’ve found the subs with mods who swing the ban hammer the hardest tend to cultivate a community of folks who love sniffing their own farts more than butting heads.
Block early and often is practically the motto of Lemmy. Many people got banned from Reddit for a reason, and then they all came here. People with a conscience also came here too, but there’s definitely a lot of noise amidst the signal.
And moderation tools here suck, so it’s much less regulated overall, which is somewhat a good thing but then people don’t want to discuss the bad side where people straight-up leave here as a result, as evidenced by e.g. the Monthly Active User counts in decline and also comments in spaces such as r/RedditAlternatives.
Otherwise it’s about on-par at a community moderation level. It has a few other things but they don’t present as viewed from Lemmy, mitigating their utility at the moment.
I think people leave because of the lack of niche communities.
That is also true:-). What they say for themselves is (1) tankies, (2) toxicity, (3) too confusing (this must be Lemmy bc PieFed’s sign up wizard is outstanding), and (4) yeah, lack of content.
I haven’t moderated a community on PieFed, but in addition to what Skavau said, PieFed has many tools that alleviate the need for moderation in the first place, like keyword filtering (you wouldn’t need to make a community rule to reduce the amount of Musk or Trump content when users can filter that out on their own without needing a mod to do it for them) and user icons (next to e.g. highly contentious users with >10-fold more downvotes than upvotes, so you better know what you are getting into if you choose to respond).
For me it is personally what keeps me still on reddit.
I love lemmy/piefed for the awesome people, but really feel the lack of niche content.
I want to start my own communities on lemmy, but it is just so hard to keep it going. I don’t have the energy for that. Living life is difficult as it is already. And I don’t want to see my community die.
Also Reddit bans you from upvoting and participating, but you still get personalized ads even after you get banned. LOL
There are whole entire huge events that happen in the world that when I search the Threadiverse find no matches to those keywords, as if it did not occur or at least it went unacknowledged by this community. So not even just lack of “niche” content, but lack of content beyond tankie and/or USA politics and Linux v. Windoze.
Communities there are like “<insert name of game here, global version, community #2>”, while here it be like… “games”. Same for the vast majority of movies or TV shows.
However, I completely get it - this is a toxic bunch, and I for one have stopped recommending Lemmy to people IRL. I don’t want to lose friendships over them coming here, seeing how we can be (without SUBSTANTIAL amounts of blocking), and then noping out, thinking I am one of “them”.
We need the content, I am agreeing with you, but we will never get it because we chase everyone away by being too toxic. I am putting my hopes now not into Lemmy anymore but into PieFed, and in particular better moderation tools that could potentially save the Threadiverse from perpetually remaining in obscurity. Though it still needs quite a bit of polish first imho.
The list of features is large and continues to grow larger all the time, we will win you over one day…
Like we just added emoji responses to all posts and comments. I guess like Reddit awards, but non-monetized. How you can hold out resisting joining right away is beyond me…😉
Or do like most of us and make an alt - then you’ll have the best of both worlds, whenever you want either one (or there’s like a Cloudflare blockage or some such). Yet be warned, one glance at PieFed’s sign up wizard and you may never go back… 🤩
I’ve gotten suspended from Reddit for hurting fascist’s feelings, most recently because I said what I wished had happened to the leaders of the confederacy.
Reddit will let blatant hate speech and active calls for violence against minorities stand as “not violating any rules” and the only reason any of the subreddits aren’t overran by that crap is the individual subreddit mods remove comments and ban people, but that only goes so far as they are all unpaid volunteers.
The kind of people that do get banned by Reddit for being bigots have to say stuff that would actually get them in legal trouble, and usually those are the ones that are actively threatening specific people all the time because they think death threats are an effective debate tactic when they don’t know what they are talking about, and they never know what they are talking about.
Those people end up being a special kind of asshole so when they come to Lemmy they end up doing the same, but with federation they tend to endup more on the openly fascist instances that most sane instances don’t federate with.
I received a “promoting violence violation” on reddit for referencing “Surviving The Game” and other tropes of where rich, white, affluent assholes hunt human for sport.
I never used /all. I had a specific set of subreddits I used to browse. I never went to the incel or right wing subreddits. I used to browse AskHistorians occasionally.
Also, Reddit admins regularly suspend/ban anyone marginally on the left when we say we will defend ourselves or when we express opinions about certain dead fascists or in my most recent suspension: Said the confederate leaders should have gotten the same treatment they gave to runaway slaves.
Reddit only bans fascists/conservatives when they do something that could get them in legal trouble. But anyone on the left, and especially anyone queer, even slightly arguing we might need to defend ourselves from their violence with our own will get banned extremely quick.
Remember: Reddit didn’t take down subreddits dedicated to perving on children until it got in the news.
I was banned from reddit for calling out colonial apologia and saying fuck you nazi. They literally banned all my accounts without review. I wasn’t even trying to circumvent the ban with the others.
Usually there’s an uptick of violent bOtH sIdEs SaMe-style rhetoric just prior to an election in some Western nation. I’m not sure if that is what is happening now or something else.
Everything everywhere is becoming them vs us. Red vs blue, north vs south, east vs west, their color vs my color, their party vs my party, their opinion vs our opinion, your region vs my region, your problems vs my problems. Everywhere.
And we are all losing except the people that have always been winning.
it’s only gotten worse far as i’v been alive.
bar only ever gets lower, not sure how they lower it from trump…alex jones/tucker carlson ticket for 2028, perhaps?
“Not getting a Nazi isn’t an option. But what we can control is whether we get a Strasserist Nazi or a Hitlerite Nazi. Clearly, you have a moral responsibility to support the Strasserist.”
(It’s getting harder and harder to do parodies because a lot of people would unironically agree with that.)
I said that the same people were bad as this other commenter but I mentioned that maybe instead of hating them, like the bad people do to us, we might want to approach the situation with a little more nuance and uphold empathic viewpoints for everyone not just people who agree with what we agree with and they told me the bad people shouldn’t get any sort of empathy because they do bad things.
Lemmy as a whole is very pro-valve to the point I think some of them want to fuck the CEO. It stands in stark contrast with Lemmy’s general anti-billionaire vibe. “He’s one of the good ones” or, in my more extreme exaggerated version, “man I want to lick that guy’s feet”.
Admittedly if you’re not in the gaming sublemmits it won’t make that much sense. But lemmy is generally very anti-yacht-owner so the sycophants stand out.
Aha, yeah the ”Gaben” fetishism and absolute support Valve gets in some cliques has always irked me. Not that I don’t see the merit in a lot of their product philosophies (e.g. Linux support)
I kinda feel like Lemmy has been much more hostile recently. I don’t know if it’s bots or if I just post bad comments, but it makes me want to go back to just being a lurker.
EDIT: I was waiting for it to happen in this thread. Try to be positive and say something nice about the angry people, get downvotes. Haha. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’ve seen a number of accounts that seem to harp on a single topic, grow increasingly adversarial if you dispute or refute anything posted, and eventually just start screaming insults until you block them.
This feels like very old-school early '10s era Reddit, where the Admins don’t do more than the high level stuff to keep the site operational, the Mods are as overworked as they are short-tempered, and a handful of power users dictate the content of any given channel by spamming it with whatever media supports their personal grudges.
It’s not just you. People will wilfully misinterpret what I’m saying to their liking, sometimes accusing me of nonsense. Some others will jump in out of nowhere as if I owe them money. I have some asshole in my notifications right now trying to defend another asshole for some reason. The best part is how I’m the one getting downvoted for defending myself and calling them out on it.
These are trolls. We’re not immune to trolls here on Lemmy. They have a schedule that can be tracked, lol.
Any online space is going to have these trolls, but especially a space that’s kind of bucking the system and can’t be as easily controlled.
I’ve noticed people just back the person speaking the most strongly or is insulting harder as if those are tactics used by people who are commonly right.
Honestly even here on lemmy you get how Trump won.
Even here people can’t help supporting the person acting like they are superior.
This guy uses lemmy
I do, unfortunately.
This is awkward but… I think you owe me money.
The whole karma thing is one of the worst inventions in the internet. The whole upvote if you agree downvote if you don’t it’s stupid and should be eliminated, no one cares what you vote, if you have something to add reply, if no keep reading, nod your head up and down or left and right and move on.
Oh, I don’t care about the points, I’ll still reply in whatever manner I like anyway. It’s at least some indicator of how your comment comes across to readers. It’s just funny that I win the unpopularity contest for simply defending myself while the other person is spewing bullshit.
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The world sucks right now. People on Lemmy are very aware of what’s going on and are rightfully upset and that reflects in general sentiment and interactions.
Yeah. I get it. I feel that way too. Especially, if you fall into a minority group, it’s a scary time to be.
That’ll happen with growth im sure.
As a relative newcomer, I’ve felt and read a lot of hostility on Lemmy. Reddit felt smug, but not unfriendly.
No shortage of outright nail-chewing psychos on Reddit, depending on your instance. But I’ve found the subs with mods who swing the ban hammer the hardest tend to cultivate a community of folks who love sniffing their own farts more than butting heads.
Welcome, here it’s smug and unfriendly.
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Block early and often is practically the motto of Lemmy. Many people got banned from Reddit for a reason, and then they all came here. People with a conscience also came here too, but there’s definitely a lot of noise amidst the signal.
And moderation tools here suck, so it’s much less regulated overall, which is somewhat a good thing but then people don’t want to discuss the bad side where people straight-up leave here as a result, as evidenced by e.g. the Monthly Active User counts in decline and also comments in spaces such as r/RedditAlternatives.
I think people leave because of the lack of niche communities.
Reddit niche communities are like crack. None of the fandom communities are active here.
Does piefed have good moderation tools?
From an instance admins perspective, yes.
Otherwise it’s about on-par at a community moderation level. It has a few other things but they don’t present as viewed from Lemmy, mitigating their utility at the moment.
That is also true:-). What they say for themselves is (1) tankies, (2) toxicity, (3) too confusing (this must be Lemmy bc PieFed’s sign up wizard is outstanding), and (4) yeah, lack of content.
I haven’t moderated a community on PieFed, but in addition to what Skavau said, PieFed has many tools that alleviate the need for moderation in the first place, like keyword filtering (you wouldn’t need to make a community rule to reduce the amount of Musk or Trump content when users can filter that out on their own without needing a mod to do it for them) and user icons (next to e.g. highly contentious users with >10-fold more downvotes than upvotes, so you better know what you are getting into if you choose to respond).
For me it is personally what keeps me still on reddit.
I love lemmy/piefed for the awesome people, but really feel the lack of niche content.
I want to start my own communities on lemmy, but it is just so hard to keep it going. I don’t have the energy for that. Living life is difficult as it is already. And I don’t want to see my community die.
Also Reddit bans you from upvoting and participating, but you still get personalized ads even after you get banned. LOL
There are whole entire huge events that happen in the world that when I search the Threadiverse find no matches to those keywords, as if it did not occur or at least it went unacknowledged by this community. So not even just lack of “niche” content, but lack of content beyond tankie and/or USA politics and Linux v. Windoze.
Communities there are like “<insert name of game here, global version, community #2>”, while here it be like… “games”. Same for the vast majority of movies or TV shows.
However, I completely get it - this is a toxic bunch, and I for one have stopped recommending Lemmy to people IRL. I don’t want to lose friendships over them coming here, seeing how we can be (without SUBSTANTIAL amounts of blocking), and then noping out, thinking I am one of “them”.
We need the content, I am agreeing with you, but we will never get it because we chase everyone away by being too toxic. I am putting my hopes now not into Lemmy anymore but into PieFed, and in particular better moderation tools that could potentially save the Threadiverse from perpetually remaining in obscurity. Though it still needs quite a bit of polish first imho.
Well if anything, at least you can post stuff and have substantial people see it. Perks of being a small place.
Also I am .ee refugee. For now I have home. But I am convinced of joining piefed whenever I create another account.
The list of features is large and continues to grow larger all the time, we will win you over one day…
Like we just added emoji responses to all posts and comments. I guess like Reddit awards, but non-monetized. How you can hold out resisting joining right away is beyond me…😉
Or do like most of us and make an alt - then you’ll have the best of both worlds, whenever you want either one (or there’s like a Cloudflare blockage or some such). Yet be warned, one glance at PieFed’s sign up wizard and you may never go back… 🤩
I’ve gotten suspended from Reddit for hurting fascist’s feelings, most recently because I said what I wished had happened to the leaders of the confederacy.
Reddit will let blatant hate speech and active calls for violence against minorities stand as “not violating any rules” and the only reason any of the subreddits aren’t overran by that crap is the individual subreddit mods remove comments and ban people, but that only goes so far as they are all unpaid volunteers.
The kind of people that do get banned by Reddit for being bigots have to say stuff that would actually get them in legal trouble, and usually those are the ones that are actively threatening specific people all the time because they think death threats are an effective debate tactic when they don’t know what they are talking about, and they never know what they are talking about.
Those people end up being a special kind of asshole so when they come to Lemmy they end up doing the same, but with federation they tend to endup more on the openly fascist instances that most sane instances don’t federate with.
I received a “promoting violence violation” on reddit for referencing “Surviving The Game” and other tropes of where rich, white, affluent assholes hunt human for sport.
Have you been to any of the history subreddits or the incel ones or the right wing ones? Or just r/all?
Lol. Reddit is super hateful right now.
One reason I like lemmy is because people are a lot more friendly here.
I never used /all. I had a specific set of subreddits I used to browse. I never went to the incel or right wing subreddits. I used to browse AskHistorians occasionally.
Askhistorians is objectively the only sane history subreddit.
The rest are filled with colonial apologists, genocide deniers and nationalists.
Not sure when you last visited, but reddit’s hostility is almost worse than twitter these days lol
Saw someone get dogpiled with neonazi aryan rhetoric from several users for saying they “prefer curly hair”, it’s like its own MAGA cult now.
Also, Reddit admins regularly suspend/ban anyone marginally on the left when we say we will defend ourselves or when we express opinions about certain dead fascists or in my most recent suspension: Said the confederate leaders should have gotten the same treatment they gave to runaway slaves.
Reddit only bans fascists/conservatives when they do something that could get them in legal trouble. But anyone on the left, and especially anyone queer, even slightly arguing we might need to defend ourselves from their violence with our own will get banned extremely quick.
Remember: Reddit didn’t take down subreddits dedicated to perving on children until it got in the news.
They didn’t take down some highly conservative subreddits until they started threatening state police.
Might be general tribal attitude.
I was banned from reddit for calling out colonial apologia and saying fuck you nazi. They literally banned all my accounts without review. I wasn’t even trying to circumvent the ban with the others.
It wasn’t always like this. I feel like it’s really been in the last 3ish months. Hopefully it’ll pass.
Usually there’s an uptick of violent bOtH sIdEs SaMe-style rhetoric just prior to an election in some Western nation. I’m not sure if that is what is happening now or something else.
it’s probably just getting more popular
I hope so! I suspect the hostility will pass when American politics becomes less life or death.
Everything everywhere is becoming them vs us. Red vs blue, north vs south, east vs west, their color vs my color, their party vs my party, their opinion vs our opinion, your region vs my region, your problems vs my problems. Everywhere.
And we are all losing except the people that have always been winning.
Isn’t it just Western recent hysteria? Don’t see it for most of the world.
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it’s only gotten worse far as i’v been alive. bar only ever gets lower, not sure how they lower it from trump…alex jones/tucker carlson ticket for 2028, perhaps?
Nick Fuentes / The Literal Ghost of Hitler
Candice Owens/Milo Yiannopoulos
“If you don’t vote for Owens, you’re voting for Fuentez!”
“Not getting a Nazi isn’t an option. But what we can control is whether we get a Strasserist Nazi or a Hitlerite Nazi. Clearly, you have a moral responsibility to support the Strasserist.”
(It’s getting harder and harder to do parodies because a lot of people would unironically agree with that.)
Thats what I’m thinking. Other platforms got unusable.
I said that the same people were bad as this other commenter but I mentioned that maybe instead of hating them, like the bad people do to us, we might want to approach the situation with a little more nuance and uphold empathic viewpoints for everyone not just people who agree with what we agree with and they told me the bad people shouldn’t get any sort of empathy because they do bad things.
Yeah, people have been getting a bit touchy and on occasion misinterpret an innocuous comment as an attack.
What the fuck did you just say to me you little shit? I’ll have you know that I graduated top of my class in Lemmy online debates… (etc…)
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I’m happy they are passionate about their beliefs, at least.
That’s how you get crusades and genocides. Beliefs are a problem and should be stopped.
Fortunately, its a message board not a military tribunal. You’re not going to kill anyone by posting at them.
Beliefs are a double edged sword. The US would have never had civil rights movements if they were stopped completely for having “problematic” beliefs.
I feel like this is mostly the case for (semi-)political discussions
Nope. Well, maybe: is wanting to suck on gabe from valve’s a political issue?
I don’t understand this sentence
Lemmy as a whole is very pro-valve to the point I think some of them want to fuck the CEO. It stands in stark contrast with Lemmy’s general anti-billionaire vibe. “He’s one of the good ones” or, in my more extreme exaggerated version, “man I want to lick that guy’s feet”.
Admittedly if you’re not in the gaming sublemmits it won’t make that much sense. But lemmy is generally very anti-yacht-owner so the sycophants stand out.
Aha, yeah the ”Gaben” fetishism and absolute support Valve gets in some cliques has always irked me. Not that I don’t see the merit in a lot of their product philosophies (e.g. Linux support)