On Linux and Android. What are privacy oriented alternatives to Firefox now that it’s no longer trustworthy?
The ability to sync between devices would be a huge bonus, even just on a local network.
LibreWolf finally has an account at mastodon @librewolf@chaos.social
I made the switch, its worth noting that there is some differences, like not keeping cookies by default, and you’re not able to set it dark mode etc. These can be fixed up through extensions or config changes.
https://digdeeper.club/articles/browsers.xhtml has a somewhat comprehensive analysis of a large number of browsers you might consider, illuminating depressing (and sometimes surprising) privacy problems with literally all of them.
In the end it absurdly recommends something which forked from Firefox a very long time ago, which is obviously not a reasonable choice from a security standpoint. I don’t have a good recommendation, but I definitely don’t agree with that article’s conclusion: privacy features are pointless if your browser is trivially vulnerable to exploits for a plethora of old bugs, which will inevitably be the case for a volunteer-run project that diverged from Firefox a long time ago and thus cannot benefit from Mozilla’s security fixes in each new release.
However, despite its ridiculous conclusion, that page’s analysis is still useful in in deciding which of the terrible options to pick.
While it was an interesting read, the article is quite outdated and the author is overly negative of literally everything, not just privacy. If a browser has a glowy button, it’s horrible because it’s too fancy… I feel for the guy…
Depends on your specific case, but IMO in order of preference for deskop, Tor Browser as much as possible, followed by Mullvad Browser as much as you can, for scenarios where you cannot use Tor Browser, followed by LibreWolf for the few sites that require persistent logins (you’ll need to enable setting cookies for those specific sites). There’s also other Firefox forks like GNU IceCat (unofficial binary for it), Floorp and Zen Browser.
For a less complicated alternative, just swap out Firefox with LibreWolf. Just make sure to read the ENTIRE docs to save yourself from any nasty surprises. Especially about RFP (Resist Fingerprinting), WebGL, Canvas, etc.
On Andriod, again, there’s Tor Browser, IronFox, Fennec F-Driod. Additionally if you want a browser based on a different engine, there’s Cromite, which is based off of Chromium, but it’s probably better to stay with a less commonly used engine like Firefox rather than keep using the mainstream monopoly of Google.
As an aside, this video helped me understand some stuff better and it seems to be less of Mozilla being untrustworthy and more about them being total losers in communication. I recommend checking it out.
I don’t have the 512 gb of ram needed to open more than two browsers at the same time, high roller.
You don’t need all that much RAM to be honest. You don’t need to use two of them at the same time either to compartmentalise your life. And my second paragraph covers the case that you’d prefer if you don’t wanna compartmentalise.
Correct you need about 32 gb of ram to use two web browsers at the same time.
Oh also, Ladybird Browser, is being developed. It is not based off of Mozilla Firefox or Google Chromium or Safari. They’re building their own browser independently without getting any code from other browsers. The Alpha release is planned to come out on 2026.
Impossible to take them seriously if they have already started off on the wrong foot using exclusively megacorpo proprietary platforms for coms. If your developer / testers privacy doesn’t matter since they opted for Microsoft GitHub & Discord, what would lead you to believe their project would take privacy seriously?
agreed
Did you guys know Firefox is still libre software? 😱 Like, all data usage is verifiable 🤯, and you can easily configure it so it doesn’t call home… Right? 🥵
Every couple of months there is an alarmist trend to kill Firefox, and then it turns out Firefox stays as the big libre option that respects your privacy and fights for freedom.
I am not saying they will never fail. But they haven’t so far. And that’s what matters.
Ironfox on Android, easily is the best.
librewolf, mullvad, zen browser? all fork of firefox
Not really an option because he said Android
You can use any firefox fork on Linux and any other firefox fork on Android. They sync fine.
useful to me, a non-android user who clicked because the title doesn’t say anything about it.
Floorp :)
I use a similar set up. Librewolf on Linux and IronFox on Android. You could still use a Firefox account to sync, but I wouldn’t. I’ve heard there’s a way to host an older version of Firefox sync locally, but I haven’t looked into it.
This + xBrowserSync for bookmarks.
Not OP, but I’ve never heard of IronFox. Is it a comparable replacement for Mull? Gods I’m still a bit salty over how sudden that was…
It’s a fork of Mull, in fact!
Yes IronFox is a fork of Mull, and though it does have a couple of differences in opinion on the balance of privacy and usability, it’s very similar. I’ve been using it since shortly after we lost Mull.
Is this the GitHub repo for it?
Yep
This is what I use.
And this is the latest sync server that doesn’t rely on discontinued versions of Python: https://github.com/mozilla-services/syncstorage-rs/. It’s not a full, plug and play solution, and it doesn’t support PostgreSql so I haven’t set it up in my self hosted environment yet, but plan to eventually.
Second the Ironfox recommendation.
LibreWolf is what I use, but I heard Zen Browser is another fork that’s been getting some traction. I don’t use it though, but I’ve heard from someone who does that it works for them. thumbs-up
Zen looks good, but being more unique couldn’t it get fingerprinted more easily?
Also their community is on Discord, which to me is a red flag quite frankly. I realize it’s separate from the browser, but still. Discord no good.
Being fair, just using a non-Chromium based browser these days kind of gives a major fingerprinting starting point.
United front.
these days if i find any project exclusively active on socials like discord and twitter, and github forge, i quit using it. i mean i wont be registering an account there just for community support.
Yeah I don’t personally like how unlike LibreWolf it doesn’t use ResistFingerprinting.
Been using Zen for the past week. It takes some getting used to, but it’s been great so far.
Use any fork of Firefox without the sync option.
Sorry I’ve been out of the loop, the encrypted sync isn’t safe anymore? I’m using forks since a while but I rely heavily on sync
You can also selfhost sync!
Yes, that’s a great idea. I’m tempted to do that but my old NAS is hardly keeping up with all the services I’ve deployed on it so far
Can’t trust Mozilla anymore with the data, so you’re better off finding alternatives. You can check out: xBrowserSync
You can also just selfhost Firefox sync!
Oh, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the suggestion. It’s gonna be on my home server soon! ✅
Floorp and librewolf, among others.
neither of them are aviable for android
Ironfox for Android
I just installed Librewolf today, using it now. Being a fork of FF it makes a very smooth transition.
Cromite
Cromite is exceptional.
Zen browser is very good.
that’s desktop only
Is brave an option?
