Opening my weather app this morning I was greeted by this warning:
Google has announced that, starting in 2026/2027, all apps on certified Android devices will require the developer to submit personal identity details directly to Google. Since the developers of this app do not agree to this requirement, this app will no longer work on certified Android devices after that time.
It’s the first time I hear about this, seems to be about:
Cirrus app: Github
Was this a big thing I somehow missed? I hope more devs will follow suit.
Wording of the message implies it’s possible to have uncertified version of Android… Such a thing possible?
Yes, think cheap android tablets that are so shit google store can barely run on it. Those devices are usually chinese knockoffs and do not ship with google services, google store or any gapps.
I don’t believe the certified android means hardware, I believe it’s only about if you have an official android build running, since if your hardware can run a custom ROM, you can get around this issue.
I think it has to do with the google certification you have to go through to sell hardware shipping with android. All devices need to be certified by google or they are not allowed to run gapps or connect to the playstore. This is what huawei lost after trump banned them, so they had to make their own shit as a replacement
any version of android that’s not vendor or downloaded from the official android website
- like https://lineageos.org/
- https://e.foundation/e-os/
- or the aforementioned GrapheneOS
calyxos.org (paused)
Adding iodé to the list, cocorico !
Why everybody always forget about iodé ?
first time I hear about it, seems to be based on lineageOS?
What’s with the premium tiers? Seems a bit sketchy to be honest.
Yes, like GrapheneOS
yes
I’m going to look into adding this to my app https://git.allpurposem.at/mat/Sudoku Indeed I do not agree with this, so it will become unavailable when the terms go into effect. I will look into making it available for Linux Mobile.
First of all thank you for providing a foss app!
I think it’s a big difference if the platform tolerates you or actively wants to stop you from doing it. You got my fullest sympathy.
Thank you so much for the kind words! It’s indeed a bad time to be an app delevoper. At least the framework I use is portable-ish, so the work won’t be fully lost.
Just to clarify:
Will my apps installed from F-droid be unaffected by this?
There won’t be Fdroid on Google OS phones period
Unclear, but they are saying it will affect side-loaded apps, and no way to bypass with Developer Options, so I would assume so.
If you don’t have Google Play Services installed, then you’re not affected. Of course, how many custom ROMs will live to that day is unknown.
The Mihon dev team has already announced that they’re going to get authorized and continue their work.
It’s… and interesting choice given what they’re working on, but they also took steps to stay legal
Depends on your OS. Most likely no.
From what I gather, yes. But will you be allowed to install F-Droid? No.
I’ve heard that it will still be possible to install unverified apps via ADB, so theoretically it wouldn’t be hard to make an app installer that uses Shizuku (tool that allows you to ADB into your own device) and have a website that automatically installs that using WebUSB or something
app manager can already work as an app installer, but it needs wireless debugging enabled which can be a security risk. and you have to install app manager too somehow.
You’ll be able to install them, but play services will very probably stop them from starting.
They already have the framework for this in place, “unrecognised” apps get blocked by Play services already asking you if Google can scan the app before you start it, the app will not start at all unless you click yes or no.
Maybe yes. Maybe not. I think from now they won’t push that far, among other things because even developing for android platform would become a burden. Not being able to even test some app concept without a verified signature…
Maybe eventually they’ll go that far. But as of now I do think is unlikely they’ll completely block the adb way.
Anyway many current users won’t go adb. And third party stores will take a massive hit. That’s google’s goal.
Even apps installed outside the Play Store will need to have a “verified developer”, and this change will affect any devices that use Google Play Services, so it will be a problem even to old devices.
I don’t personally have Google Play Services installed but I can see how devastating this could be to open source on Android.
Where are you linux hardware manufacturers ?
Syatem76? The same company that made POP OS are making PCs and laptops They claim that they made the laptop with the longest battery life
This news makes me actually sad. I have had high hopes in the last years in the FOSS world, having myself and three other persons move to use Linux as daily driver on Desktop/Laptop.
My phone has FOSS apps only except for banking, health, transport tickets and 2/3 work rekated stuff. My messaging, files and pictures are handled by FOSS apps installed from third parties (F-Droid, Obtainium) on selfhosted servers… I was finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
This news sound to me like the tunnel ahaead is collapsing.
How easy is it to convert an Android app to a Linux mobile app of you’re the developer? If it’s written in JVM languages it shouldn’t be that hard right?
Just use a custom ROM. This sadly will affect app developers. But if you are on a custom ROM without GMS it will continue to work just fine.
Google is trying to kill custom ROMs too. Also I thought the majority of modern phones aren’t bootloader unlockable.
Ehhhh… sorta maybe. Ultimately they can’t, but they can make development more difficult.
Also Google has nothing to do with whether or not you’re bootloader is unlockable. Get a phone that is.
If you rally want to go down the whole FOSS path it does ultimately become a bit of a lifestyle.
You can unlock the bootloader on just about every phone, just depends on how much effort you want to spend.
End-users can use e.g. waydro.id to run Android apps on Linux.
I’m not deep into Android development, but I doubt it’s possible to just port an app without basically a complete rewrite. Android has an own layer on top of the JVM, called Zygote, and there’s presumably lots of system libraries which the Android apps implicitly depend on, for handling graphics and whatnot, which make tons of assumptions about running on an Android device.
It is a big thing at least in developer circles. It made the front page of Hacker News multiple times.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45087396
Thank you for these links they are fantastic! I was aware of the procedural lock in via play integrity services and also the lockdown on side loading so that didn’t get past me, but I wasn’t aware google also wants to alienate developers now by requiring ID. It seems to me google want to now fully commercialize the platform, transforming it into the ad infested network that web2+3.0 already became. I think their plan, by alienating non commercial devs, is that all apps will run on their ad models and non without them will be left.
Yet another possible antitrust lawsuit series. Some day maybe a judge will do something to help the consumers.
Google just came out of the biggest antitrust suit since 1998 completely unscathed so you can expect this sort of anticompetitive measures to continue.
Aaand the reason’s called ✨c o r r u p t i o n ✨
Whenever a politician comes from a big company or goes to one after retiring from politics, that’s when you know they’ve been bribed.
I mean when the entire tech industry has front row seats at your inauguration, that’s a pretty good indicator as well.
don’t count on the system’s judicial system to save us.
@Akip I got this message the other day. It sucks how the app won’t work on certified devices next year.
Agreed. Google just didn’t consent to you getting an app without ads. My hope is maybe we can circumvent it for a while with PWA or browser website bookmarks. Maybe long enough for alternatives to arrive or consumer protection to kick in. I refuse to give up hope even though I might need to abandon android. For now I guess I will just not buy another phone since androids time seems limited. Really hard to find something to recommend to family and friends that just works. My goto grapheneOS also seems more and more cut down with more and more apps refusing to work outside play store downloads or refusing to work on 3rd party OS.
Was this a big thing I somehow missed?
It’s one of the many small things that hide the big thing. In 2027 android will be fully locked down, unnecessarily.
The big thing is whatever the lockdown is for.
I’ve only ever used Android, dating back to the T-Mobile G1. I think I’m now ready to switch to iPhone. If I’m going to be pigeonholed into a completely walled garden, it might as well be with a company that knows what they are doing.
I really don’t want to switch, but probably will for my next upgrade.
Screw that!
Get a Fairphone with /e/OS before you switch to the rotten apple.But be warned, the camera app is borked (at least on the FP6)
I absolutely get what you’re saying, and a good part of me agrees with you. Here is the thing, I’m tired boss. I’ve made an effort my whole life to use open source, privacy friendly everything.
I’m now to the point where I don’t have time for messing with phones. Fixing broken stuff, compatibility, etc etc.
I need a powerful phone with a great camera that just works.
Honestly considering the same. Sideloading is the only reason to stick with Android and that’s now going away. Apple devices have more power, better battery life, better displays, etc etc etc. Especially considering the “base” 17 is now actually a really good value while Pixel prices have skyrocketed in recent years to iPhone levels (presumably for AI shit I don’t even want).
I was also looking at the 17, and it looks like a great option. A 16 pro might also be a good option
I switched to iPhone in 2016. I had no idea Pixel was coming, and my choices all sucked. The more I looked at the iPhone 6s, the more I realized it was the right phone at that time.
I’m now on my fourth iPhone and I’m kind of done with them. “Apple Intelligence” and the keyboard gets so many things wrong. On a 16 Pro Max. And yet my Galaxy S10 which is 5 years older gets almost nothing wrong.
iPhones have great screens and the newest Snapdragon barely catches up to the new iPhone chip. But I think it does more. The Pixel chip is much further behind (comparable to an iPhone 11, I hear) but even that phone seems smarter.
I feel like iPhones are really nice basic/feature phones. They work well with my Macs, but Macs don’t stop working if your phone runs Android. They just don’t play well together.
Apple is a lot better on privacy. They never pretended to be or care about open source though. iOS is based on macOS which is certified UNIX; Android is Linux more or less but neither is open. I think it’s a moot point at best and a bullshit non-point most days. Open source I mean. As far as privacy, I think Apple is better on a good day but maybe misleading, but Google never really pretended to care. The deal was always, premium stuff for your personal data. We just didn’t care as much back then.
Honestly there are no great options. If I had to buy a phone right now, I’d probably get a Galaxy S25. I just hate what’s going on with Nova Launcher. But I love using my S10, it’s just a dated screen at this point.
I got the same alert on Gmaps WV (google map wrapper found f drood) Google is giving us more reasons to switch to a custom ROM
They’re not “pulling” the app from anywhere, it’s just simply not going to work on “certified devices”. This is the end of Android as we know. It’s been a good run.
Only works for those of us who own a pixel or bought one for the reason but this won’t effect Graphene users
It’s going to affect 100% of Android users because no one is going to develop apps just for the 10 people using uncertified devices.
We’re at least a dozen!
affect
Except it will, because developers aren’t going to bother maintaining an app where the install base is just pixel users with Graphene
Yep. We’ll be fine for a while but Google’s seriously axing the platform for foss projects and security-minded users. In no more than half a decade I anticipate Android’s open-source development scene will begin looking very similar to Apple’s.
Yes you’re right. I’ve worded that wrong in the title!
You can edit it 🙂
Done! for the curious, original title, “Cirrus App dev pulling app from certified android devices in '26/'27” new, “Cirrus app dev informing the app will stop working on certified android devices in '26/'27”
When one thing dies, another thing is born.
And what’s being born?
UBPorts is ready to go and isn’t tied to Google hardware like Graphene.
It’s also absurdly lacking in features compared to Android/iOS (never mind app support) and the dev team is so small they can barely maintain existing device support. VoLTE is still unsupported in the majority of devices. The OS doesn’t even have basic security features like drive encryption
I like UBPorts a lot but I think the alternative/FOSS smartphone market is too fragmented between it and SailfishOS/PostMarketOS that none of them will emerge with enough adoption to be real competitors to the iOS/Android duopoly. Didn’t mean to be overly negative. Just my two cents
Doesn’t have manufacturer support
Volla, Fairphone, and Pine offer devices with it preinstalled and it works on a wide variety of others.
I think you’re aware of the size of those manufacturers compared to the ones shipping Android.
I believe you can sideload with ADB.
Nope, from how Google puts it, play services will block any and all apps without a valid signature from working at all on play certified devices.
You’ll be able to install them via adb probably, but when you run them play services will stop you.
Play services already prevents certain apps from starting until you say a yes/no on a popup, so the framework for this is already in place.
This is completely wrong. I asked this exact question to google in their poll and I got an answer from them saying it would always work with adb. It’s for devs so you can run those apps of course. This means F-Droid can implement a Shizuku backend to install apps and the UX will be even better since it will bypass popups. However, initial setup will be far more complicated
You can but that’s REALLY not a solution. How many times/day to plan on plugging in your phone and running a couple dozen commands to update your apps?
And so it continues… Google trying to shoehorn themselves into a position of authority of the internet. Imagine they get as much sway as the banks now have? Private entities controlling the masses for massive profits. Fuck off Google.
Does anyone know if this will affect Android TV?
Wait you could install arbitrary apks on android tv?
Yup. I’ve installed a few that way
You have an android tv and not smarttube? Your youtube experience will increase ALOT.
A lot. Two words. You don’t write alittle, do you?
I am dyslexic and not a native speaker, but thanks for the correction! The example with a alittle is actually a good one. If you loose the unfriendly vibe, your comment would be more appreciated.
What a Huge Nerd thing to say.
Wellplayed.
