My conversations here must not count, nor have they improved my opinion.

Ok.

Damn, dude, not every hunter is a deer population manager.

Hunters do hunting, surgeons try and heal people. In one the killing is the point and in the other the cutting in incidental.

Avoiding factory farmed animals but still eating animals is something a lot of people say to pat themselves on the back, but I don’t buy it.

Anyway, I can see this is a really personal thing to you and you’re really upset by it. Don’t think too much about why you get defensive about it, though, or why you have to carve out exceptions to try and make it less creepy.

Lol, come into a community about unpopular opinions, see people adverse to those opinions, get surprised and upset?

Since you mentioned eating

No, I specifically tried to avoid it, but go ahead and ignore that 🤦

Hiking is a thing you can do in nature alone or is groups that doesn’t involve killing, so I don’t understand your point about that making hunting less creepy. And even if most of the hobby isn’t the actual killing, the rest of it is planning, setting up for, fantasizing about, talking about, etc., the killing, so that’s not very convincing either. Like I get that if you have, say, cooking as a hobby that you look up recipes, buy ingredients, and eat, but nobody that has cooking as a hobby buys ingredients to not cook (raw vegans excepted 🥁🥁🛎️).

And telling me about how different flesh tastes depending on how you kill them sounds pretty creepy.

Thanks for not bringing up eating! I really appreciate it.

Yes, population management is a real thing. Not denying that, and I probably should have mentioned it.

I still find the people that want to participate in it for fun very creepy.

Sticking a hook into something to drag it around and then temporarily suffocate it, yeah, that doesn’t seem pleasant.

So are non tankies. Tankies don’t have a monopoly on being closed minded, being jerks, etc. lemmy.world is really bringing out the misanthropy in me today, for example.

Edit: Ugh, was just reminded about some of the things the tankies are saying. There’s no comparison.

Yeah, comparatively. I guess in human terms it would be the difference between manslaughter vs premeditated murder. I find the whoops it’s dead less creepy than the let’s plan and carry out a killing.

• you kill insects so you’re just as bad
• But I eat it so it’s ethical and respectful (nothing to do with the opinion I expressed)
• Cats are different than game
• Population control (nothing to do with the opinion I expressed)

I’m pushing away the arguments because they don’t actually address my point. They’re bad rhetoric. THEY are not giving valid reasons, it’s the same stuff I’ve heard before and it’s still bad rhetoric, that’s why I’m pushing them away. Pick one and we can go through it if you want.

I mean, most of .world is toxic, so…

I’m less inclined to “both sides” this one. The ganging up included admins. I get they’re humans, but this seemed to me to be a pretty petty thing from people outside the community that got the admins involved in the first place and then the admin applied a double standard as a wave of other .world users continued to dogpile on. Emotions aren’t really an excuse for being a jerk. Most of the other reasons for being a jerk aren’t really great either.

I agree and don’t eat meat, I just wanted to extra call out the creepiness of going out of ones way to personally end the life of something without bringing up the usual trash arguments about respecting something you killed by eating it. That didn’t go well. Same dumb excuses as usual.

Yeah, I guess not. I’d just expect it to be just as one sided in the post as it is in the comments. Maybe it’s just I thought it was unpopular because once side is so much louder than the other. Oh well.

With how .world mods treated them recently and how .world users interacted with that community generally, even .ml and hexbear look better. Not a great look for .world

I’ve seen one of their users say it’s ok for middle eastern countries to oppress LGBTQ people in an LGBTQ community. Haven’t seen much else from there because that’s when I decided the ml instances were more trouble than their worth and blocked them.

It’s different when our side does it

I don’t draw a line, I just wanted to keep it out of this conversation because I’m specifically talking about the extra steps required to kill something personally. Which is why I tried to avoid talking about meat consumption in the post. And you and several other people ignored that. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by that behavior from people that think torturing fish is a fun activity. Thanks for being disappointing in a very predictable way. I don’t think I have anything further to get out of this conversation with you, so I won’t be engaging further.

If you think not eating meat from a grocery store is a good thing, then you should be asking yourself about why you do it on days you don’t fish. Otherwise, it comes off as something like: pickpocketing is bad, so I pat myself on the back every time I don’t do it.

“I will…do the killing if it makes the world a better place” sounds like something a villain says while twirling their mustache. You could just not do the killing and make the world a better place. So why not?

Catch and release is kinda odd, too. Stick a hook into something alive, drag it via that hook, suffocate it briefly, and bond over it.

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isn’t glorified

I can’t reconcile those ideas.