And now you are abusing your power because you are calling me a “liar”

You do realize this is exactly what I am talking about with the civility rules and the inherent power imbalance?

I am objecting to the enforcement of civility rules, which are unnecessary given existing bigotry rules. You know that, but you’re pretending that’s not what I am saying. My proof was several well thought out arguments, and even some outside resources on the topic of civility and politeness rules being oppressive.

You ignored all of this.

Of course, the moment you start attempting to address the actual topic, you say “oh yah I won’t respond” 🙄 I have seen you do that before so I’m not surprised. I fucking knew you would do that if I addressed your pedantic assholery.

You’ll respond indefinitely to pedantics, but won’t engage in anything of substance, and then act self righteous and also… only clip the part of my comments that are 🖕🏻🖕🏻, ignoring the point I actually made. 🙄

🤔🤔 hmmm was that the part of the comment I was talking about? Or are you disingenuously pretending? 🤔🤔🤔 let me find the nearest kindergartner to help you out with this.

You just admitted you’re not a good person, what more is there to say? My whole argument was that you’re a shitty person for enforcing these civility rules.

lmao you’re so lost in the sauce you’re just like , “yeah I’m not a good person”. okay.

I never quoted you, I am pulling out the substance of your argument here:

Do you think maybe I wouldn’t be moderating several communities if I were the problem you think I am? Do you think I forced World News or Lemmy Shitpost to make me a moderator? I didn’t even ask.

This is definitely flaunting, and definitely using your mod status to make you out to be a good person.

I fucking hate you for going into this stupid pedantic argument. This is what you always do. Literally always. I won’t be continuing with this line anymore, I have quoted you directly and there is nothing more to say. Fucking tool.

You have nothing to say about civility rules? You can’t defend yourself at all? You are okay with knowing you are upholding rules that silence minority opinions and rightfully angry individuals? How long can you ignore the topic?

Not once have you meaningfuly engaged with what I have been telling you. You are unable to because it threatens your sense of power.

Enforcing shitty rules makes you a shit person. That’s an accurate description. You continue to admit through your silence on the matter that the rules are unfair, and you benefit from them.

You’re not engaging on the topic because you know I’m right.

Once again, you ignore anything of actual substance. The civility rules are inequitable. Enforcing them makes you a shit person. You have no rebuttal or defense for this so you try to focus on other things, but I think at this point you just know I’m right.

engage with the content of my post challenge level: impossible.

you are doing the same thing you always do and trying to bring this into a semantic argument.

you are scum defending these stupid civility rules when the way you engage with other people is just like, mind bogglingly obtuse and assholeish.

You KNOW that you are being a polite asshole and won’t get your comment taken down. That is the entire point of my contention with you and the inequitable civility rule. You are IGNORING all of my points.

You bragged about how you’re such a good guy because you’re a mod. You just keep pretending to miss the point! It’s really obvious!

You have literally not addressed anything I have said and have perpetually deflected. I think the only reason you are continuing to respond is you are hoping I’ll get frustrated and say something that a mod will ban me over. This is exactly why these civility rules suck. This is why you suck. You have no response to any of my explanations and then lie and say I haven’t explained myself. Every time I see you comment, my day gets worse, because you’re always doing the same thing in every discussion I’ve seen you in.

And not once have you said “my bad” or “I’m wrong” even though you have been mistaken or presumptive multiple times. 🙄

lmao just saw your post history and literally one of your last post is FLAUNTING your mod power, literally just proving my point. You think being a mod gives you social weight, which it does, and the other mods also believe. And you can’t see how incivility rules are enforced unfairly??? You are just pretending not to understand this.

I’ve explained multiple times, and if you had bothered to engage with my points rather than ignore them completely you would understand. Another poster also wrote out several paragraphs explaining why. You are PRETENDING to not have seen these explanations I wrote out.

Civility rules focus on the tone rather than the content, which is highly problematic because marginalized groups are often rightfully pissed the fuck off. That’s probably like, the fifth time I’ve written out a version of that.

You are bringing up 4chan again after I already told you that that’s fucked up since it’s an extremely transphobic site, and I am a trans person. That’s not civil lmao. You can continually insult me by telling me to go to 4chan, but if I say “fuck you” I gety posts taken down. Make that make sense. Nah, you won’t because you get off on the power trip.

I have seen how you operate multiple times. You get into arguments with people, nitpick over dumb shit, and then when someone gets frustrated and uses meanie-poopoo-head language you take out your moderation powers. You have done this to me and I’ve seen you do this in other threads to other users. You really suck dude.

I said “that’s not the rule”, not “that’s not a rule”. As in, that’s not the rule you’re talking about. You’re literally just misunderstanding me, probably deliberately, and ignoring all my points to focus on pedantics! This is why you suck so bad dude!

You’re ignoring the topic at hand to focus on something that you misinterpreted. Embarassing for you. Can’t believe you’re trying to turn this discussion into a grammar lesson, rather than the fact that your enforcement of civility rules is a shit thing to do.

So back to the topic, if civility rules exist to defend minorities, which is what you claimed … why do we need them if we already have rules against bigotry and hate speech!!!

And also back to the topic, how is continuing to ignore the conversation to rudely insist on your incorrect interpretation of my clear words… even after I clarified … how is that civil lmao

Yes I heard your agreement the first time!! 💖 But this is extremely well articulated and I hope the moderation team reads it. These civility rules uphold some nasty power dynamics.

I have, as a trans person, experienced being on the blunt end of these civility rules for being “impolite” about my disagreement. Passion is not a crime, and at the end of the day, being called an asshole isn’t really going to hurt anyone.

We should definitely moderate for slurs, but we don’t even do that consistently. I remember seeing a thread filled with heavily upvoted sexist slurs against Hillary Clinton. She does suck, but when you’re gleefully using words like “cunt” and “bitch” to articulate that, you’re creating an environment that’s kinda scary for women.

My point is that civility rules are oppressive. Allow people to be justifiably upset. The civility rules will always favor majority held opinions. Read the article I linked, do some of your own research. You’re upholding a dumbass rule that will inevitably, and has been, inconsistently used.

another source

https://youtu.be/ezQa9MzJiBg?si=fkXKddpsGfuvxN4X

Okay, and can you see how this is messed up? People most often report “incivility” when someone is expressing a minority opinion. 🙄🙄

Okay, if the civility rule is in place to protect minorities as you say, than why would we need a civility rule? That’s my point. We already have rules against bigotry.

You totally missed my point 🙄 and then you get all snooty about “facts unchallenged”. When really you just continually misunderstand or ignore my very clearly spelled out argument against this dumbass civility rule. Is this civility? You’re just ignoring all my points and posting useless screenshots.

How is “may I suggest 4chan”, a notoriously transphobic website, directed at someone from the Trans Lemmy, not supposed to be an insult?

How is “fuck you” an insult? It doesn’t attack you in any way whatsoever it just shows disrespect. I’m allowed to not respect you. Didn’t say anything about you or even call you an asshole.

You’re not protecting marginalized groups, you’re enforcing a standard of civility that is usually used to tell minorities “shut up, why are you so angry”

If protecting minorities was the goal, the rule would be against racism, sexism, etc… but that’s not the rule.

I already explained several times why I’m against the policy but idk I guess you can’t read that well? Really the only explanation I have here.

You mention the civility rules, excuse me I had to rewrite this damn comment like three times lol

What did I say that was an attack? “fuck you”? is that an attack lmao ? these rules are arbitrarily enforced because I have seen people say that all the time, or say “fuck you” just in more words that they think are clever. the only reason I didn’t put that in this post was I just forgot to lol