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  • Depends on your threat model - mine is to make it as annoying and difficult for data sellers and advertisers to profile me as possible so in that scenario a reputable VPN service makes perfect sense.

    There’s no such thing as total privacy and each service/software is simply a piece of the puzzle. If my government really wanted my data I’m sure they could find a way but making it as difficult as possible for techno-fascists is fine by me.





  • What assurances do you have they won’t go full proton in the future?

    Absolutely none. That applies to all services that exist now or in the future. The only way around that is self-hosting but that path has its own issues including a very steep learning curve if you want to be secure as well as private. Maybe this could be a longer term project to work towards?

    For services:

    • Mail - Mailbox.org seems the best option right now
    • Calendar - don’t know.
    • Drive - either Cryptomator used with literally any service or a dedicated service like Filen
    • VPN - Mullvad
    • Password Manager - Bitwarden
    • Documents - I just use LibreOffice offline or CryptPad occasionally if I’m collabing with someone.

    In truth none of these are perfect. Privacy has got a lot harder recently as Proton and StartMail/StartPage have politically shit the bed and the UK seems determined to kill encryption which means I have to avoid really good services like IceDrive just because they’re in the UK.










  • Literal thought policing (“what you privately think”)

    Are you suggesting that a statement that he made is not what he thinks?

    quasi-religious purity logic (“has tainted Proton”)

    lol, sorry you’re incapable of processing descriptive language :) I’ll rephrase it to ‘has negatively affected Proton’s image in the eyes of some’.

    This nicely reveals the kind of busybodying inquisitorial mindset that keeps losing elections for US progressives and thus landing the rest of the world with Trump.

    Neither I, nor Proton, are American so its difficult to see how my opinion keeps landing the world with Trump.


  • Trouble is Andy, we now know what you privately think and all the follow up statements in the world can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

    Proton is an org that exists in an industry whose customers do not trust easily. Publicly aligning with someone utterly untrustable, either as an individual or as a board, has tainted Proton and adversely affected peoples ability to trust. How can we ever know when Proton will find it acceptable again to respond positively to a Trumpian decision or how it might affect our privacy?


  • The privacy community is always told to verify, not trust. The board of Proton have decided to publicly state something that leads a lot of people to be unable to trust them - namely supporting the choices of an extreme right wing leader who has repeatedly demonstrated the foolishness of trusting anything he says or does.

    This CEO is totally free to have their own thoughts but its verging on the ridiculous to think that other people aren’t going to have a negative reaction to them and seek alternatives. Its next to impossible to trust a company that express approval of Trump decisions because its impossible to trust Trump. And Proton going out of their way to publicly state their approval when they are not even a US org and would’ve lost nothing by simply not saying anything suggests a board that was keen to publicly express support for Trump. It inevitably makes people who are already on the receiving end of Trumpian hate legislation, or who soon will be, wonder what else Proton might be willing to do for Trump in the future.