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DeepSeek is an improvement, but not to the level initially reported.

🫠 I cannot be any clearer:

previously ai model training was entirely based on simply buying more chips as fast and as hard as possible, deepseek changed that

Perhaps because you didn’t understand what they said.

they repeat what i said, did you read them? previously ai model training was entirely based on simply buying more chips as fast and as hard as possible, deepseek changed that

From your own article

Is it impressive that DeepSeek-V3 cost half as much as Sonnet or 4o to train? I guess so. But OpenAI and Anthropic are not incentivized to save five million dollars on a training run, they’re incentivized to squeeze every bit of model quality they can. DeepSeek are obviously incentivized to save money because they don’t have anywhere near as much.

https://www.seangoedecke.com/is-deepseek-fast/

The revelations regarding its cost structure, GPU utilization, and innovative capabilities position DeepSeek as a formidable player.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/research-exposes-deepseek-ai-training-165025904.html

^ fyi that article you linked to is an AI summary of a semianalysis.com article, maybe AI is useful after all ;)

If the models were actually getting substantially more efficient, we wouldn’t be talking about bringing new nuclear reactors online just to run it.

Youtube uses a fuck ton of power but is an incredibly efficient video delivery service

The growth and popularity of AI and its uses is simply outpacing the efficiency gains

why are you linking me to articles i read ages ago?

Nor is smartphone AI going to do the things people what AI to do. It won’t let the CEO take your job.

You think AI is only useful if it’s taking someones job?

The current models depend on massive investment into server farms

I hate to tell you this but your knowledge of AI appears to be limited to 2023 ;)

You missed the entire Deepseek fiasco which basically put an end to the “just order more chips” strategy of AI

Chinese company DeepSeek made waves earlier this year when it revealed it had built models comparable to OpenAI’s flagship products for a tiny fraction of the training cost. Likewise, researchers from Seattle’s Allen Institute for AI (Ai2) and Stanford University claim to have trained a model for as little as US$50.

https://theconversation.com/microsoft-cuts-data-centre-plans-and-hikes-prices-in-push-to-make-users-carry-ai-costs-250932

Or if you’d like to read an absolutely mega article on it: https://stratechery.com/2025/deepseek-faq/

And no, self-hosted models aren’t going to make up for it. They aren’t as powerful, and more importantly, they will never be able to drive mass market adaptation

Both Samsung and Apple have on device AI already, you’ve not seen the Apple ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL88A5F9V3k

They’re only planning more and more features using it

They aren’t as powerful

We’ve had insane gains in locallama’s since 2022, including but not limited to this from the other day https://lemmy.world/post/30442991

And every few weeks a newer and improved model comes out, I’ve never seen tech so amazing and progress so fast as I have AI

Like, if you don’t get the problem here, I really don’t think I can explain it.

tbh I might need AI to explain it to me because to me you just said: people like trash

hence the success of a lot of the Marvel films despite rapid decreases in quality, or the Star Wars sequels.

The part I don’t get is, what difference does it make (to you) if the trash is made by a guy using AI or made by a company?

The main thing is that quality movie cinema goers like yourself have an organic free range no ai involved movie experience, and so long as there is enough of you out there (and there should be) then you’ll be able to enjoy your cinematography experiences while the rest of us watch slop (and ultimately isn’t this what is currently happening anyway?)

Not only that but are you assuming that AI and computational power will never reach a point where we’ll be able to create a wide variety of films and movies that are on par with or exceed today’s movies?

Are we assuming there will never be a movie that’s made using AI that is better than these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_worst

or the garbage that’s on TV at 3 in the morning?

a person using AI is telling me they don’t value their own mind to the point they rather outsource it to a dumb prediction machine

Why do you believe this is so?

Most creative work is taking what we think of (an idea or thought) and putting it into action, a movie is just a more elaborate version of a story which we have been telling each other since the beginning of time

If I tell Veo3 a story and it brings the story to life with visuals and audio where have I not valued my own mind?

This feels like elitism: I had to learn a whole craft (singing/song writing/instrument etc) to bring my idea to life, you didn’t use a fancy camera with fancy video editing software, you just told a computer what you’d like to see or hear, how dare you!

The reason why the original hot take is bad is because it is simply referencing all the most obvious limitations of LLM’s at the time (problems with fingers, over explaining answers)

This would be like in 1995 saying smartphones?? like tiny computers that fit in your pocket? Wow that’ll be so shit! Oh great so now my wrist watch computer takes 5 minutes to boot up so I can check the time? and then it’ll probably blue screen of death! I bet I’ll get a virus then have to run a virus scan on it ughhhhhh

Do half of you realise you would get better quality discussion if you weren’t so cunty

But most people will never see one, nor do they care to see one

then who cares?

this is like being sad people don’t care for Marionette shows anymore

so you don’t know how capitalism works

mcdonalds is cheap and largely made by automation, in fact if it was made by automation today most people probably wouldn’t realise … but restaurants and cafes still exist

if there is demand for organic movies with no ai then we’re going to build it

Companies will try to replace as many jobs as possible with AI, meaning everything gets considerably worse in quality and reliability, and there won’t be any new jobs to replace the old ones

lol that’s not how capitalism works

i mean it literally is, this hot take from 2023 is already out of date with veo3

and this is after 2 years, can’t even imagine how incredible it will be in 20 or 30 years

over robust, verifiable information

Random websites are robust, verifiable information now are they? How times change

30 years ago I was told they are unreliable and to use books in the library for research

20 years ago I was told using WebMD was unreliable, after all it will just say you have cancer laugh out loud! Using the internet for medical information? Crazy!

I wonder where we’ll be in 20 or 30 years time

You should not add glue to pasta when cooking or serving it. The idea of adding glue, such as Elmer’s glue or any craft glue, to pasta is not appropriate for food consumption and is likely a joke or misunderstanding found in some informal discussions.

it isn’t reliable for recipes since it hallucinates

This is how it goes:

• Don’t use AI
• See memes about AI getting it wrong
• Believe that AI gets it wrong 100% of the time

You guys are just as bad as trump supporters

• Don’t have an EV
• See memes about EV’s catching on fire
• Believe that EV’s catch on fire all the time

8/10

I’m impressed

https://youtu.be/Ci-Evf8nQH4?t=934

Lemmy users:

Look out you’ll die if you use AI to make some food! Don’t even use it for recommendations or ideas or maybe different things you can try or maybe you want to know a way to do a specific thing or try a slight variant because you might drink battery acid by mistake!!!1

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What ai were you using? I’m curious (and expecting either Google AI summary or no response)

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Why do I feel like I’m teaching toddlers how basic AI works

Just use the glue like a good acolyte!

I personally wouldn’t but I’m scared I might be talking to someone who drinks it

So in this case you would have to go to another website to find a real recipe anyway.

Right, have you used perplexity at all?

I would never trust it’s answer to “how much bell pepper should I put in the recipe?” (Which I believe is what recipes are about)

I mean to be fair, you’re free to click on the links if you want to verify these things no?